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  ·2024-02-16
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  ·2023-06-19
  Palantir, is it growing or falling?
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  ·2022-12-29
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  Why Palantir, Snowflake, and Datadog Plunged on Thursday
  It was a bad day for high-growth tech stocks as interest rate fears reared their ugly head again.
  Why Palantir, Snowflake, and Datadog Plunged on Thursday
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  ·2022-06-25
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  Palantir Started Coveraged With a $10 Price Target at Goldman Sachs | Price Target Changes
  Goldman Sachs initiates coverage on Palantir Technologies with Neutral Rating, announces price targe
  Palantir Started Coveraged With a $10 Price Target at Goldman Sachs | Price Target Changes
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  ·2022-06-13
  Have a Huat Huat Anniversay!♡
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  ·2022-06-10
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  Alibaba Looks Like Amazon In 2002
  Alibaba Group Holding (NYSE:BABA) stock has seen its fair share of challenges. Between China’s tech
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  ·2022-06-09
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more. That has been a constant theme through 2022, as the Federal Reserve's unprecedented interest rate-hiking cycle has decimated expensive, unprofitable growth stocks -- even if they are posting solid top-line growth.Thursday saw the release of some GDP data that pointed to continued rate increases, dashing hopes of investors who had thought the inflation monster had been slayed. These three names were just a few of the many victims in the tech space.So whatIn another episode of \"good news is bad news\" in this market, today the government's Bureau of Economic Analysis released its third revision of third-quarter U.S. gross domestic product. In that revision, the BEA revised third-quarter GDP up to 3.2% growth, up from its prior estimate of 2.9%.Current revisions incorporate more data, meaning the economy was stronger than expected last summer. In addition, the past week's jobless claims rose slightly to 216,000, up 2,000 from last week, which is still pointing to a very tight labor market.In a normal world, stronger GDP and plentiful jobs would be a good thing, but not when the Federal Reserve is trying to tame inflation, especially wage inflation. The strong economic and jobs numbers therefore indicate the Fed may have to go further in hiking the federal funds rate, whereas many had thought that the better-than-expected inflation numbers from October and November would engender a \"pause\" from Fed officials.Rising interest rates are especially bad for high-growth software stocks that will see the bulk of their earnings far out into the future, since higher rates discount the present value of future earnings. The farther away those profits are, the less they are worth in today's terms, when interest rates are high. This is why these high-quality growth names move so much on any given day, depending on economic data and speeches by Fed officials.To illustrate this point, yesterday, Palantir rose with the market, despite Wolfe Research analyst Alex Zukin downgrading the stock to \"underperform\" and putting a $4.50 price target on this $6.20 stock. Zukin noted the expensive, time-consuming integration needed to run Palantir's software as a headwind, while also noting the \"lumpiness\" of large government contracts as limiting visibility.Yet today, when inflation and rate fears kicked in, Palantir sold off hard, despite Bank of America analysts defending the stock, calling the sell-off \"overdone\" and putting a $14 price target on the beaten-down software name. Bank of America actually likes Palantir's strong, entrenched standing with defense contractors, even if those revenues come in unevenly, while also noting Palantir's strong cash position, which in and of itself amounts to about $1 per share.Now whatIt may be frustrating that these stocks are so vulnerable to the minutiae of macroeconomic data, interest rates, and what any random Federal Reserve governor might say on any given day; however, this is the market in 2022.Long-term investors should look at the bright side: This rate-driven market sell-off may be opening up long-term buying opportunities. For instance, Snowflake is nearly back down to its IPO price of $120, which is the price at which Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway bought shares on the IPO.Along with Snowflake, Datadog is also seen as a leader and winner in the software observability space. Datadog is also operating close to GAAP profitability while maintaining high growth rates.Still, I wouldn't classify either stock as \"cheap,\" as Datadog and Snowflake still trade at very high multiples of sales. Yet investors should at least be making a list of the best-in-class growth stocks that are performing well but which have nonetheless been decimated by this rate-driven market.Interested investors should try to figure out the intrinsic value of these stocks based on a discounted cash flow model. 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Riley Securities cut <b>Riot Blockchain</b> price target from $29 to $16. Riot Blockchain shares gained 3.3% to $4.75 in pre-market trading.</li></ul><ul><li>Morgan Stanley cut <b>Westinghouse Air Brake Technologies Corporation</b> price target from $113 to $94. Westinghouse Air Brake Technologies shares fell 1.7% to $82.36 in pre-market trading.</li><li>Credit Suisse lowered <b>Invitation Homes Inc.</b> price target from $47 to $40. Invitation Homes shares fell 0.2% to $34.00 in pre-market trading.</li><li>Jefferies cut the price target on <b>Athira Pharma, Inc.</b> from $32 to $3. Athira Pharma shares fell 1.4% to $2.81 in pre-market trading.</li><li>Piper Sandler cut the price target on <b>Benefitfocus, Inc.</b> from $16 to $9. Benefitfocus shares fell 2.2% to $8.39 in pre-market trading.</li><li>Keybanc cut <b>Paycom Software, Inc.</b> price target from $400 to $340. 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Riot Blockchain shares gained 3.3% to $4.75 in pre-market trading.Morgan Stanley cut Westinghouse Air Brake Technologies Corporation price target from $113 to $94. Westinghouse Air Brake Technologies shares fell 1.7% to $82.36 in pre-market trading.Credit Suisse lowered Invitation Homes Inc. price target from $47 to $40. Invitation Homes shares fell 0.2% to $34.00 in pre-market trading.Jefferies cut the price target on Athira Pharma, Inc. from $32 to $3. Athira Pharma shares fell 1.4% to $2.81 in pre-market trading.Piper Sandler cut the price target on Benefitfocus, Inc. from $16 to $9. Benefitfocus shares fell 2.2% to $8.39 in pre-market trading.Keybanc cut Paycom Software, Inc. price target from $400 to $340. Paycom Software shares gained 0.4% to close at $273.17 on Wednesday.Wolfe Research lowered The Travelers Companies, Inc. price target from $185 to $156. 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Between China’s tech ","content":"<html><head></head><body><p><b>Alibaba Group Holding</b> (NYSE:BABA) stock has seen its fair share of challenges. Between China’s tech crackdown, a COVID-19 outbreak, and declining retail spending, there have been many curve balls thrown BABA’s way. However, the company is doing better than many people think it is. Although earnings are declining, revenue is still growing – albeit at a slower pace than in the past – and the company is working on many new projects like chips and cloud computing. Chips and cloud services were big winners for companies like <b>Apple</b> (AAPL) and <b>Amazon</b> (AMZN), so there is reason for optimism toward Alibaba’s future trajectory.</p><p>Speaking of Amazon, that stock is a useful case study when it comes to understanding Alibaba. The two businesses have a lot in common, including:</p><ul><li>Core eCommerce operations.</li><li>Cloud computing operations.</li><li>High market share in the countries that are their “home bases.”</li></ul><p>These qualities make Amazon comparable to Alibaba. The two companies aren’t identical – Alibaba relies on third party vendors much more than Amazon does, and China is a very different market than America. But there are enough similarities that we could describe the two companies as being in the same sector.</p><p>There’s another trait that Amazon and Alibaba have in common:</p><p>Their stock market performance. BABA’s price trend in 2021/2022 is very similar to Amazon’s trend in 2000-2002. In both cases, the shares fell by high double digit percentages while revenue grew. When you’ve got a company whose stock price is declining while sales grow, you’re looking at an investment with the potential for future appreciation. Indeed, that happened with Amazon starting in 2002. That year, the company’s stock fell while its losses got smaller, paving the way for future growth. In BABA’s case, the higher revenue growth is not translating to earnings growth – a declining stock portfolio, investments in subsidiaries, and higher taxes are taking a bite out of fundamentals. On the flipside, BABA (unlike 2002 Amazon) has positive earnings already, so it can support its stock price through future buybacks. Taken as a whole, these factors suggest that BABA is set for a rally much like the <a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AONE.U\">one</a> Amazon experienced after its 2002 crash.</p><h2>Competitive Landscape</h2><p>One thing that Alibaba has in common with Amazon, especially 2002-era Amazon, is its competitive position. Alibaba has one very large competitor, <b>JD.com </b>(JD), and a host of smaller ones. This is similar to the situation Amazon faced in 2002, when <b><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/EBAY\">eBay</a></b> (EBAY) was king of the eCommerce castle. In the long run, Amazon prevailed over eBay, and there are reasons to think that Alibaba will prevail over JD, too.</p><p>One of those reasons relates to profitability. JD is a retailer that holds and sells inventory directly, Alibaba is mainly a platform for third party retailers. Amazon is a mix of both.</p><p>Alibaba’s “third party seller” model results in high margins because it does not require holding inventory. BABA has fulfillment centers, which cost significant sums of money, but not on the level of holding inventory. Alibaba’s model incurs minimal host, mainly marketing and maintaining web infrastructure. JD’s, by contrast, incurs high costs. So BABA will likely earn more profit than JD if the two companies’ revenue levels are comparable. Indeed, their revenue is pretty comparable: JD actually had about $20 billion more of it than BABA did in the trailing 12 month period. However, BABA had far more profit. That’s largely because of Alibaba’s low cost business model.</p><p>Of course, JD’s growing sales are a threat to Alibaba. Just because JD earns less profit doesn’t mean it won’t cut in on Alibaba’s action. However, Alibaba’s higher margins give it more opportunities to invest in its business. Over the last decade, Alibaba has built a cloud business, bought several companies, and launched a partially-owned payments platform. These kinds of things would be hard to pull off with JD’s margins. So, between JD and BABA, the latter is better positioned to grow into an Amazon-style conglomerate.</p><h2>Alibaba’s Financials: the Amazon Comparison is Clear</h2><p>Alibaba’s recent stock performance has been similar to Amazon’s in 2000-2002. Its financials are also similar to Amazon’s at that time period, only far better. In the most recent 12 month period, BABA delivered:</p><ul><li><p>$134.5 billion in revenue.</p></li><li><p>$49 billion in gross profit.</p></li><li><p>$14.9 billion in operating income (“EBIT”).</p></li><li><p>$9.8 billion in net income.</p></li><li><p>$9 billion in levered free cash flow.</p></li></ul><p>These figures give us a 7.2% net margin and a 36.5% gross margin. The net margin might not look that impressive but this is going off of GAAP earnings, which are affected by the performance of BABA’s stock portfolio. Substituting cash from operations for net income and we get a 16.3% CFO margin. Alibaba’s margins have fallen somewhat since the company’s record breaking 2020/2021 fiscal year, but they should start to climb again. A lot of the decline in BABA’s margins has been due to its stock portfolio declining in value. Chinese stocks are in a bullish trend this quarter; if they end the quarter in the green, then we could see BABA’s margins improve.</p><p>This is similar to where Amazon was in 2002. Its stock price was declining, its revenue was rising, and its equity investments were going down. It was not profitable in 2002, so Alibaba compares favourably on that front. However, AMZN’s net loss was shrinking that year whereas BABA’s earnings are declining, so “2002 Amazon” wins on growth.</p><h2>Valuation</h2><p>Having explored Alibaba’s financial performance, we can turn to its valuation. I’ll leave the Amazon comparison alone for this section because Amazon is nothing like Alibaba when it comes to valuation.</p><p>One of the most appealing things about Alibaba stock today is its price. The company is very cheap relative to its underlying assets, earnings and cash flows, and will look even cheaper if earnings growth resumes later this year.</p><p>According to Seeking Alpha Quant, BABA trades at the following multiples:</p><ul><li><p>Adjusted P/E: 12.</p></li><li><p>GAAP P/E: 28.</p></li><li><p>EV/EBITDA: 11.3.</p></li><li><p>Price/sales: 1.98.</p></li><li><p>Price/operating cash flow: 11.7.</p></li></ul><p>These multiples suggest that BABA is cheap. Certainly, they’re much lower than the multiples you’ll find on U.S. tech stocks of similar size. Doing a discounted cash flow analysis on BABA yields a similar result: even with conservative growth assumptions, the stock ends up being worth more than its current stock price implies.</p><p>In the trailing 12 month period, Alibaba grew revenue at 18%. In the two recent quarters, it grew closer to 10%. For the sake of conservatism, we’ll use the lower end of BABA’s recent quarterly growth as our revenue assumption.</p><p>Now let’s look at costs. In 2021, BABA’s COGS was $64 billion and operating expenses were $28 billion, for a total of $93 billion in cash costs. These combined costs grew by 28% to $119 billion in 2022. That would suggest that Alibaba’s costs are growing much faster than revenue. However, if we zero in on the most recent quarter, we see the cost growth slowing down compared to earlier in the year. COGS for Q4 came in at $21.9 billion and operating cost at $7.6 billion–down from $7.8 billion in the prior year quarter. Overall, COGS + operating costs combined grew at 10% for the quarter. We know that Alibaba is actively working at reducing costs right now, so I will again forecast based on the quarter rather than the year. The result of these assumptions is 10% growth in both revenue and costs. I will ignore interest expense in my model because BABA’s “interest income” includes stock market fluctuations, which are impossible to predict. I will use 25% as the tax rate because BABA recently lost its tax credits and, as a result, now pays China’s standard 25% tax. These assumptions yield the following model:</p><table><colgroup></colgroup><tbody><tr><td></td><td><p>2022 (BASE YEAR)</p></td><td><p>2023</p></td><td><p>2024</p></td><td><p>2025</p></td><td><p>2026</p></td><td><p>2027</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Revenue per share</p></td><td><p>$50</p></td><td><p>$55</p></td><td><p>$60.5</p></td><td><p>$66.55</p></td><td><p>$73.2</p></td><td><p>$80.52</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Costs per share</p></td><td><p>$44.35</p></td><td><p>$48.78</p></td><td><p>$53.66</p></td><td><p>$59</p></td><td><p>$64.93</p></td><td><p>$71.42</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>EBIT per share</p></td><td><p>$5.65</p></td><td><p>$6.22</p></td><td><p>$6.84</p></td><td><p>$7.55</p></td><td><p>$8.27</p></td><td><p>$9.1</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Tax</p></td><td><p>$0.62</p></td><td><p>$1.55</p></td><td><p>$1.71</p></td><td><p>$1.89</p></td><td><p>$2.07</p></td><td><p>$2.28</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>EPS</p></td><td><p>$5.03</p></td><td><p>$4.665</p></td><td><p>$5.13</p></td><td><p>$5.66</p></td><td><p>$6.2</p></td><td><p>$6.82</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p>As you can see, earnings dip briefly in 2023, mainly due to the fact that 2022 hadn’t yet seen four full quarters with higher tax rates. In 2024, earnings resume a modest upward trajectory.</p><p>The end result is a pretty underwhelming 6.2% CAGR growth rate in earnings, which stems from our conservative assumptions. Actual growth could be stronger, but we’ll use what we’ve got. If we discount the cash flows above at the 3% 10 year treasury yield, we get:</p><table><colgroup></colgroup><tbody><tr><td></td><td><p>2023</p></td><td><p>2024</p></td><td><p>2025</p></td><td><p>2026</p></td><td><p>2027</p></td><td><p>TOTAL</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>EPS</p></td><td><p>$4.665</p></td><td><p>$5.13</p></td><td><p>$5.66</p></td><td><p>$6.2</p></td><td><p>$6.82</p></td><td><p>N/A</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>(1 + r)^N</p></td><td><p>1.03</p></td><td><p>1.0609</p></td><td><p>1.093</p></td><td><p>1.125</p></td><td><p>1.159</p></td><td><p>N/A</p></td></tr><tr><td><p>Discounted EPS</p></td><td><p>$4.52</p></td><td><p>$4.83</p></td><td><p>$5.17</p></td><td><p>$5.51</p></td><td><p>$5.88</p></td><td><p>$25.91</p></td></tr></tbody></table><p>So we’ve got $25.91 worth of discounted cash flows in five years. If we assume that BABA produces no growth after that, then the terminal value is $227. So, we have a total present value of $253 – even when we assume extremely slow growth!</p><h2>Risks and Challenges</h2><p>As we’ve seen, Alibaba stock is undervalued based on both multiples and discounted cash flows. If the company just grows modestly in the next five years, its stock will come to be worth more than it is today. However, there are many risks and challenges for investors to watch out for, including:</p><ul><li><p><b>Political risk.</b> Alibaba is subject to two forms of political risk: domestic political risk (e.g. a renewed tech crackdown), and international political risk (e.g. tensions between China and the U.S.). Right now, China is easing up on the tech crackdown, which is part of why Chinese stocks are rallying, but you can never discount the possibility that the government will go back into crackdown mode later. Likewise, there is always the possibility that tensions between the U.S. and China.</p></li><li><p><b>Revenue deceleration.</b> Alibaba’s revenue growth decelerated significantly in the past year. Its five year CAGR revenue growth rate is 40%, the TTM growth rate is only 18%. So BABA’s growth is definitely slowing. If it slows down more, then perhaps BABA won’t hit the 10% revenue growth my model assumed, and it will be worth less than what my model estimated.</p></li><li><p><b>COVID outbreaks.</b> China is still committed to a “COVID zero” model, meaning that it is willing to bring in pretty strict lockdowns for only modest numbers of COVID cases. This fact contributed to China’s recent 11% decline in retail spending. If we see more lockdowns, then BABA’s sales growth could slow down considerably, contributing to revenue deceleration.</p></li></ul><p>The risks above are very real. Nevertheless, Alibaba stock is cheap enough to make the risk worth assuming. Even assuming very little growth, the stock’s future earnings have a present value of about $250. That’s considerable upside to today’s prices. If growth accelerates, then we could see a true Amazon-style multi-decade rally taking us to dizzying highs.</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Alibaba Looks Like Amazon In 2002</title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 11px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;line-height: 11px;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nAlibaba Looks Like Amazon In 2002\n</h2>\n\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n\n\n2022-06-10 09:56 GMT+8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4517331-alibaba-looks-like-amazon-2002><strong>Seekingalpha</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>Alibaba Group Holding (NYSE:BABA) stock has seen its fair share of challenges. Between China’s tech crackdown, a COVID-19 outbreak, and declining retail spending, there have been many curve balls ...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4517331-alibaba-looks-like-amazon-2002\">Web Link</a>\n\n</div>\n\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"BABA":"阿里巴巴"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4517331-alibaba-looks-like-amazon-2002","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"2242872207","content_text":"Alibaba Group Holding (NYSE:BABA) stock has seen its fair share of challenges. Between China’s tech crackdown, a COVID-19 outbreak, and declining retail spending, there have been many curve balls thrown BABA’s way. However, the company is doing better than many people think it is. Although earnings are declining, revenue is still growing – albeit at a slower pace than in the past – and the company is working on many new projects like chips and cloud computing. Chips and cloud services were big winners for companies like Apple (AAPL) and Amazon (AMZN), so there is reason for optimism toward Alibaba’s future trajectory.Speaking of Amazon, that stock is a useful case study when it comes to understanding Alibaba. The two businesses have a lot in common, including:Core eCommerce operations.Cloud computing operations.High market share in the countries that are their “home bases.”These qualities make Amazon comparable to Alibaba. The two companies aren’t identical – Alibaba relies on third party vendors much more than Amazon does, and China is a very different market than America. But there are enough similarities that we could describe the two companies as being in the same sector.There’s another trait that Amazon and Alibaba have in common:Their stock market performance. BABA’s price trend in 2021/2022 is very similar to Amazon’s trend in 2000-2002. In both cases, the shares fell by high double digit percentages while revenue grew. When you’ve got a company whose stock price is declining while sales grow, you’re looking at an investment with the potential for future appreciation. Indeed, that happened with Amazon starting in 2002. That year, the company’s stock fell while its losses got smaller, paving the way for future growth. In BABA’s case, the higher revenue growth is not translating to earnings growth – a declining stock portfolio, investments in subsidiaries, and higher taxes are taking a bite out of fundamentals. On the flipside, BABA (unlike 2002 Amazon) has positive earnings already, so it can support its stock price through future buybacks. Taken as a whole, these factors suggest that BABA is set for a rally much like the one Amazon experienced after its 2002 crash.Competitive LandscapeOne thing that Alibaba has in common with Amazon, especially 2002-era Amazon, is its competitive position. Alibaba has one very large competitor, JD.com (JD), and a host of smaller ones. This is similar to the situation Amazon faced in 2002, when eBay (EBAY) was king of the eCommerce castle. In the long run, Amazon prevailed over eBay, and there are reasons to think that Alibaba will prevail over JD, too.One of those reasons relates to profitability. JD is a retailer that holds and sells inventory directly, Alibaba is mainly a platform for third party retailers. Amazon is a mix of both.Alibaba’s “third party seller” model results in high margins because it does not require holding inventory. BABA has fulfillment centers, which cost significant sums of money, but not on the level of holding inventory. Alibaba’s model incurs minimal host, mainly marketing and maintaining web infrastructure. JD’s, by contrast, incurs high costs. So BABA will likely earn more profit than JD if the two companies’ revenue levels are comparable. Indeed, their revenue is pretty comparable: JD actually had about $20 billion more of it than BABA did in the trailing 12 month period. However, BABA had far more profit. That’s largely because of Alibaba’s low cost business model.Of course, JD’s growing sales are a threat to Alibaba. Just because JD earns less profit doesn’t mean it won’t cut in on Alibaba’s action. However, Alibaba’s higher margins give it more opportunities to invest in its business. Over the last decade, Alibaba has built a cloud business, bought several companies, and launched a partially-owned payments platform. These kinds of things would be hard to pull off with JD’s margins. So, between JD and BABA, the latter is better positioned to grow into an Amazon-style conglomerate.Alibaba’s Financials: the Amazon Comparison is ClearAlibaba’s recent stock performance has been similar to Amazon’s in 2000-2002. Its financials are also similar to Amazon’s at that time period, only far better. In the most recent 12 month period, BABA delivered:$134.5 billion in revenue.$49 billion in gross profit.$14.9 billion in operating income (“EBIT”).$9.8 billion in net income.$9 billion in levered free cash flow.These figures give us a 7.2% net margin and a 36.5% gross margin. The net margin might not look that impressive but this is going off of GAAP earnings, which are affected by the performance of BABA’s stock portfolio. Substituting cash from operations for net income and we get a 16.3% CFO margin. Alibaba’s margins have fallen somewhat since the company’s record breaking 2020/2021 fiscal year, but they should start to climb again. A lot of the decline in BABA’s margins has been due to its stock portfolio declining in value. Chinese stocks are in a bullish trend this quarter; if they end the quarter in the green, then we could see BABA’s margins improve.This is similar to where Amazon was in 2002. Its stock price was declining, its revenue was rising, and its equity investments were going down. It was not profitable in 2002, so Alibaba compares favourably on that front. However, AMZN’s net loss was shrinking that year whereas BABA’s earnings are declining, so “2002 Amazon” wins on growth.ValuationHaving explored Alibaba’s financial performance, we can turn to its valuation. I’ll leave the Amazon comparison alone for this section because Amazon is nothing like Alibaba when it comes to valuation.One of the most appealing things about Alibaba stock today is its price. The company is very cheap relative to its underlying assets, earnings and cash flows, and will look even cheaper if earnings growth resumes later this year.According to Seeking Alpha Quant, BABA trades at the following multiples:Adjusted P/E: 12.GAAP P/E: 28.EV/EBITDA: 11.3.Price/sales: 1.98.Price/operating cash flow: 11.7.These multiples suggest that BABA is cheap. Certainly, they’re much lower than the multiples you’ll find on U.S. tech stocks of similar size. Doing a discounted cash flow analysis on BABA yields a similar result: even with conservative growth assumptions, the stock ends up being worth more than its current stock price implies.In the trailing 12 month period, Alibaba grew revenue at 18%. In the two recent quarters, it grew closer to 10%. For the sake of conservatism, we’ll use the lower end of BABA’s recent quarterly growth as our revenue assumption.Now let’s look at costs. In 2021, BABA’s COGS was $64 billion and operating expenses were $28 billion, for a total of $93 billion in cash costs. These combined costs grew by 28% to $119 billion in 2022. That would suggest that Alibaba’s costs are growing much faster than revenue. However, if we zero in on the most recent quarter, we see the cost growth slowing down compared to earlier in the year. COGS for Q4 came in at $21.9 billion and operating cost at $7.6 billion–down from $7.8 billion in the prior year quarter. Overall, COGS + operating costs combined grew at 10% for the quarter. We know that Alibaba is actively working at reducing costs right now, so I will again forecast based on the quarter rather than the year. The result of these assumptions is 10% growth in both revenue and costs. I will ignore interest expense in my model because BABA’s “interest income” includes stock market fluctuations, which are impossible to predict. I will use 25% as the tax rate because BABA recently lost its tax credits and, as a result, now pays China’s standard 25% tax. These assumptions yield the following model:2022 (BASE YEAR)20232024202520262027Revenue per share$50$55$60.5$66.55$73.2$80.52Costs per share$44.35$48.78$53.66$59$64.93$71.42EBIT per share$5.65$6.22$6.84$7.55$8.27$9.1Tax$0.62$1.55$1.71$1.89$2.07$2.28EPS$5.03$4.665$5.13$5.66$6.2$6.82As you can see, earnings dip briefly in 2023, mainly due to the fact that 2022 hadn’t yet seen four full quarters with higher tax rates. In 2024, earnings resume a modest upward trajectory.The end result is a pretty underwhelming 6.2% CAGR growth rate in earnings, which stems from our conservative assumptions. Actual growth could be stronger, but we’ll use what we’ve got. If we discount the cash flows above at the 3% 10 year treasury yield, we get:20232024202520262027TOTALEPS$4.665$5.13$5.66$6.2$6.82N/A(1 + r)^N1.031.06091.0931.1251.159N/ADiscounted EPS$4.52$4.83$5.17$5.51$5.88$25.91So we’ve got $25.91 worth of discounted cash flows in five years. If we assume that BABA produces no growth after that, then the terminal value is $227. So, we have a total present value of $253 – even when we assume extremely slow growth!Risks and ChallengesAs we’ve seen, Alibaba stock is undervalued based on both multiples and discounted cash flows. If the company just grows modestly in the next five years, its stock will come to be worth more than it is today. However, there are many risks and challenges for investors to watch out for, including:Political risk. Alibaba is subject to two forms of political risk: domestic political risk (e.g. a renewed tech crackdown), and international political risk (e.g. tensions between China and the U.S.). Right now, China is easing up on the tech crackdown, which is part of why Chinese stocks are rallying, but you can never discount the possibility that the government will go back into crackdown mode later. Likewise, there is always the possibility that tensions between the U.S. and China.Revenue deceleration. Alibaba’s revenue growth decelerated significantly in the past year. Its five year CAGR revenue growth rate is 40%, the TTM growth rate is only 18%. So BABA’s growth is definitely slowing. If it slows down more, then perhaps BABA won’t hit the 10% revenue growth my model assumed, and it will be worth less than what my model estimated.COVID outbreaks. China is still committed to a “COVID zero” model, meaning that it is willing to bring in pretty strict lockdowns for only modest numbers of COVID cases. This fact contributed to China’s recent 11% decline in retail spending. If we see more lockdowns, then BABA’s sales growth could slow down considerably, contributing to revenue deceleration.The risks above are very real. Nevertheless, Alibaba stock is cheap enough to make the risk worth assuming. Even assuming very little growth, the stock’s future earnings have a present value of about $250. That’s considerable upside to today’s prices. If growth accelerates, then we could see a true Amazon-style multi-decade rally taking us to dizzying highs.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"BABA":0.9}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":2270,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9058330421,"gmtCreate":1654784022263,"gmtModify":1676535510430,"author":{"id":"4113997687793592","authorId":"4113997687793592","name":"woowoots","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c696a59025b885e4886971efc7de6906","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"4113997687793592","idStr":"4113997687793592"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Cool","listText":"Cool","text":"Cool","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9058330421","repostId":"2241813966","repostType":2,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":3075,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":9020795584,"gmtCreate":1652683073748,"gmtModify":1676535140814,"author":{"id":"4113997687793592","authorId":"4113997687793592","name":"woowoots","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/c696a59025b885e4886971efc7de6906","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"4113997687793592","idStr":"4113997687793592"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"Yes","listText":"Yes","text":"Yes","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":4,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/9020795584","repostId":"2235386419","repostType":4,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":2570,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0}],"defaultTab":"followers","isTTM":true}