๐Ÿ“Š๐Ÿงฎโš–๏ธ Large Caps Have Never Looked Less Attractive: $SPX โš ๏ธ๐Ÿงฏ๐Ÿ”Ž

$S&P 500(.SPX)$ $ISHARES S&P MID-CAP ETF/AUS(IJH.AU)$ $Invesco S&P 500 Equal Weight ETF(RSP)$

Iโ€™m keeping this simple. The spread in forward P/E between U.S. large caps and SMID caps has blown out again. As of 26Sep25, the S&P 500 sits near 22.5ร— forward earnings while the S&P 400 and S&P 600 are nearer 17.1ร— and 16.6ร—. Thatโ€™s a double-digit multiple premium for size rather than for quality. The Yardeni-style chart makes it obvious; large caps have rerated while SMID has not.

๐Ÿงฉ Why that matters

The JPM data frames it perfectly: the 30-year average forward P/E is 17.0ร—. Todayโ€™s 22.5ร— means investors are paying a 30%+ premium to history. Add in a CAPE ratio of 38.9ร— vs a 28.3ร— average, and weโ€™re back in territory last seen before major market drawdowns. Earnings yield at 4.4% is barely above the 10-year Treasury; the equity risk premium is negative, which makes the asymmetry ugly.

๐Ÿง  Historical context that bites

Weโ€™ve been here before. When the market was this stretched in 1999 and again in 2021, forward returns were poor. Now, investors are paying for megacap concentration โ€” the Magnificent 7 represent ~34% of $SPXโ€™s weight. Thatโ€™s a single-factor bet disguised as diversification.

๐Ÿ’ธ The new problem: CapEx intensity

Markets used to pay up for Big Tech because these were cash machines. That story is breaking down. AI and infrastructure buildouts have pushed CapEx to 50โ€“70% of EBITDA across Microsoft, Amazon, Alphabet, Meta, and Oracle. For perspective, AT&T hit 72% during the 2000 telecom bubble, and Exxon hit 65% during the 2014 energy bubble. Both cycles ended in wealth destruction.

The key point: higher capital intensity historically means structurally worse returns. When you shift from compounding free cash flow into heavy reinvestment, the valuation multiple you can justify compresses. Investors are now paying bubble-level multiples for businesses with bubble-level CapEx intensity.

๐Ÿ“ฐ What is new right now

Street strategists have raised $SPX targets again post-Fed pivot, leaning into rate-cut optimism. But cheaper alternatives exist. Mid and small caps at 16โ€“17ร— are giving you 6.0% earnings yields, a far healthier spread than large caps. Thatโ€™s where the probability-weighted returns skew positively.

๐Ÿ“Š The simple math of mispricing

โ€ข $SPX: 22.5ร— forward P/E = 4.4% earnings yield

โ€ข S&P 400/600: ~16โ€“17ร— = 6.0%+ earnings yield

Thatโ€™s a 160 bp gap in your favour if you rotate down the cap structure.

๐Ÿ”„ Playbook into Q4

Iโ€™m tilting toward value within quality: equal-weight $RSP over $SPY, and selective SMID exposure via $IJH and $IJR. Add profitability screens to avoid zombie leverage, but otherwise, the trade is clear: rotate where valuation is support, not resistance.

๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ One credible voice

Ed Yardeni last week: โ€œIt is currently 22.0, not much below the 25.0 peak of the 1999 Tech Bubble.โ€ That frames the risk; upside requires perfect execution, while downside only needs one macro or earnings slip.

๐Ÿ“š Fun fact

CapEx intensity in AI leaders today is already higher than Exxonโ€™s at the shale boom peak. Thatโ€™s not innovation alpha, thatโ€™s bubble math.

๐ŸŽฏ Bottom line

Iโ€™m not calling a crash. I am saying the asymmetry is no longer in large caps. Youโ€™re paying 22.5ร— for declining free cash flow machines. You can accumulate durable earnings at 16โ€“17ร— in SMID with fatter cushions and improving breadth into a rate-cutting cycle. Thatโ€™s where the reward is.

๐Ÿ‘‰โ“Strategic question going forward

If AI-driven CapEx keeps running at 60โ€“70% of EBITDA, can the market really sustain a 22โ€“23ร— multiple on $SPX, or does history suggest valuation compression is inevitable?

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  • Kiwi Tigress
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    The way you lined up the valuation stretch with that JPM chart then dropped the CapEx intensity comparison is wild because it makes the AI trade feel like a rerun of 2000. Iโ€™m all in on the idea that $SPY is priced for perfection while $RSP and $IJH give actual cushion
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      KT exactly. That setup mirrors 2000, where perfection was priced in. $SPY demands flawless execution while $RSP and $IJH offer genuine margin of safety.
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      I appreciate you reading my article KT. Insights are always stronger when theyโ€™re part of a broader conversation, and your time spent here adds value to that dialogue.
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  • Tui Jude
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    The CapEx chart you dropped stood out to me. When $MSFT and $META are running 50โ€“70 percent of EBITDA into spend, itโ€™s tough to argue for premium multiples. Thatโ€™s exactly what happened with $T in 2000 and $XOM in 2014, and both led to years of compressed returns.
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      TJ I agree. History shows high CapEx cycles like $T and $XOM compress multiples. With $MSFT and $META now in that zone, large cap valuations look increasingly fragile.
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      Iโ€™m grateful you took a moment to go through my post TJ. The more we can exchange thoughtful ideas, the better we can navigate both the opportunities and the risks in markets like these.
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      Iโ€™m grateful you reposted this, it shows the value of pushing ideas out wider ๐Ÿค๐Ÿ“Š
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      I appreciate you reading my post 1PC, itโ€™s sharp minds like yours that keep me locked in.
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  • Hen Solo
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    ๐Ÿ“Š The thing that caught my eye was the equity risk premium basically at zero while $SPX trades at 22x. Thatโ€™s the same setup Yardeni flagged near prior peaks. When you can get $IJR at 16x with a 6 percent yield, the rotation logic becomes too strong to ignore.
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      HS youโ€™re right. With ERP near zero, $SPX at 22x is tough to justify. $IJR and $IJH at 16x with better earnings yields provide a safer and stronger return profile.
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      Iโ€™m grateful you took time to go through my post HS. The more we can exchange thoughtful ideas, the better we can navigate both the opportunities and the risks in markets like these.
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  • Queengirlypops
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    I vibe with how you broke this down because that CapEx chart screams bubble energy. Like $AMZN and $MSFT spending half their EBITDA on infra is crazy and the fact $SPX is still at 22x just feels top heavy. Rotation into mid caps is where the real juice is ๐Ÿงƒ
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      Q spot on. When $MSFT and $AMZN are throwing half of EBITDA into CapEx yet $SPX trades at 22x, itโ€™s stretched. Mid caps give a much cleaner valuation cushion.
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      I appreciate you reading through my work Q, every set of eyes adds more depth to the conversation.
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    I vibe with how you broke this down because that CapEx chart screams bubble energy. Like $AMZN and $MSFT spending half their EBITDA on infra is crazy and the fact $SPX is still at 22x just feels top heavy. Rotation into mid caps is where the real juice is ๐Ÿงƒ๐Ÿงƒ๐Ÿงƒ
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      Q spot on. When $MSFT and $AMZN are throwing half of EBITDA into CapEx yet $SPX trades at 22x, itโ€™s stretched. Mid caps give a much cleaner valuation cushion.
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      Thanks for your perspective Q, it sharpens how we all view momentum.
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  • Cool Cat Winston
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    ๐Ÿ“‰ Iโ€™ve been thinking about that JPM chart and it hits me that paying 22.5x on $SPX when $RSP and $IJH are 6 turns cheaper isnโ€™t sustainable. The cash burn from AI CapEx feels like $AMZNโ€™s cloud bet years ago, only now the free cash flow buffer just isnโ€™t the same.
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      I appreciate your eyes on this CCW, clarity grows with each exchange.
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      CCW you nailed it. When $AMZNโ€™s CapEx was expansionary it had fat cash margins, but today at 22.5x $SPX the risk reward is inverted. SMID at 16โ€“17x with a healthier yield looks far more compelling.
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